Curse

eventhorizen · Jul 26, 2005, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Really now, how hard is it to interrupt natures renewal? The dude has to spam spirits which are some of the longest casting things ingame. Even a crap distracting shot would do the job, let alone some of the uber mesmer interrupts.

No real counter to NR spammer? Unless the ranger has mesmer secondary and is using mantra of concentration id say you must be pretty crap if you let him place more than one or two right at the start of a fight.

Phades · Jul 26, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by eventhorizen

Really now, how hard is it to interrupt natures renewal? The dude has to spam spirits which are some of the longest casting things ingame. Even a crap distracting shot would do the job, let alone some of the uber mesmer interrupts.

No real counter to NR spammer? Unless the ranger has mesmer secondary and is using mantra of concentration id say you must be pretty crap if you let him place more than one or two right at the start of a fight.

You defeated your own arguement at the end there.

Also, if you do manage to interupt the spirit cast, the ranger can then just use oath shot to renew it, outpacing your counters. Rangers also get the benefit of block/evade skills to stop things like distracting shot or normal warrior attacks. This leaves knockdown conditions to interupt, which can be countered through limited use of spell breaker, balanced stance, or dolyak signet.

Narcissus · Jul 26, 2005, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Yay! The entire thread got derailed

Besides, had Anet actually kept and buffed up Unnatural signet, the whole NR debate would be a moot point.

DrSLUGFly · Jul 26, 2005, 01:13 PM // 13:13

the idea of adding new attributes (with accompanying skills) is great. Most classes (I think) focus on one or two attributes (all that's really possible) and sometimes focus on only one with 2 other far lesser ones. Adding a new attribute for every class (with accompanying skills) would really be like adding 6 new classes.

Who can say that a healer monk and smiter monk are truly the same class?

Phades · Jul 26, 2005, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Even if you do kill it, NR still strips all enchantments and hexes, while comming back every ~15s. Potentially faster if 2 have it or other effects to reduce time are present.

Dazzler · Jul 26, 2005, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Hmm either use a Ward that has a 1 second cast, potentially infinite duration and a 10 energy cost plus the fact that it's effect is immediate or use an Eruption that has a 3 second cast, 29 second cooldown (aftercasts and cast times) and a 25 energy cost as well as shit damage and an eventual effect. Which is the better option ? You just showed Eruption is an utter waste without even knowing it.

I believe his point was that Eruption causes the warriors to move away as they do not want the 90% blind penalty. Ward will not cause them to move away as it is only 50% penalty. And what ward has "potentially infinite duration"? The wards I use only get up to around 18s-20s duration with a 30s cooldown.

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Oh and by the way, GW was meant to be a PvP game. The only reason why there is PvE is for the sales part (don't want to lose those shareholders) So explain to me why skills should be balanced towards PvE ?

Actually GW is both PVP and PVE. Some skills are only useful for PVE and some are only useful for PVP. You'll never see them all useful for both.

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You just described the problem right there. There's two skills to counter a ward: Warrior's Cunning and Rigor (well there's the attack skills but those won't do much since you'll miss 50% of all your other attacks). I agree Cunning is utter trash both in cost and in recharge. Total crap. What's left ? Rigor. Problem is it's cast time, recharge and it's a hex. Under NR it becomes a 4 second cast time and it's removed by a 5 energy remove or smite hex. Hurray you're offenses' DPS is hosed for another 19 seconds after which it's recast. Nothing can make a sane monk leave his ward, not even a Meteor Shower. That's why a balance is needed here. You even said ''counter'' by which I assume you mean it's not all that decent.

Other counters to Ward vs Melee include: AoE damage - force the enemy to leave the Ward since it is immobile. I don' understand your saying that nothing will make a sane monk leave his ward. If you drop enough AoE into the Ward, he will move or die.

And of course any Mesmer or Ranger interrupt. Once you know you are fighting a ele with Ward, it is not that tough to have a Mesmer keep an eye on him and shut down his ward next time he tries to cast it. Backfire will deter the wards. Illusionary Weaponry ignores the ward. There are lots of skills that can work. Alot of them Mesmer non-hexes that won't be affected by NR.

Phades · Jul 26, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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